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country? go on vacation, of course. spring break begi today for the do nothing, know nothing congress and the show starts right now. well, good afternoon to you. president obama speaking to the nation just a couple of hours ago now outlining american support for a no fly zone over libya that could indeed include military air strikes, the president's comments coming after the u.n. authorized action to problem tent the libyan people from gadhafi by quote any means necessary. >> if gadhafi does not comply with the resolution the international community will impose consequences. and the resolution will be enforced through military action. in this effort the united states is prepared to act as part of an international coalition. >> the president saying that u.s. ground force would not be part of that effort which
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apparently will be led by french and british soldiers. gadhafi's government has declared a cease-fire in an apparent bid to ward off strikes but that cease-fire apparently includes reports from rebels that they are still being shelved. two cities, including misrata reportedly still under attack. rebels in the eastern stronghold of benghazi are fortifying positions against a gadhafi attack and welcoming outside attack. >> gadhafi is not good. gadhaf is very, very dangerous. >> wait for france to bring battalion for the gadhafi forces and for us staying here we're waiting for our orders to move forward. >> course this action is in sharp contrast to the western response to events in yemen let alone u.s. supported dare i say it bank rolled allies like
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bahrain and saudi arabia who have been using our own weapons to crack down on their own people. their efforts met with stern words of warning from our country. joining us now lieutenant colonel tony shaf fer, former intelligence officer and with us from london philip sabin with the royal air force center for air power studies. how much of an undertaking is this no fly zone, tony? >> fairly significant by the fact that you're talking about trying to put up a lot of aircraft. fueling them. keeping them going. we're talking about isr, which is surveillance over the horizon. bosnia, we were in 100,000 sorties to make sure the bosnian skies were cleared of aircraft. this is no small undertaking. it's highly likely that they have surface to air missiles, they have 50 of those, that's
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what the yugoslaviian government had. we have to take those out before anything flies. they will use them against us at some point. >> any clarity as to whose planes and who would actually coordinate such an effort? >> the french have been the leading nation saying, even talking of hours before they can have their planes in place. the british are further behind. we're all waiting for the americans to come on board with their much larger air force from italy and even one or two carriers in the medium term. >> beyond libya, what are the implications of further western military activity let alone american military activity and i third middle eastern nation, tony and how do you put that into context in what happens in places like saudi arabia to tehran. >> we opened the door for
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another bosnia situation. let's be clear. the way the u.n. worded this allow for the potential of a slippery slope. let's take this on face value, the libyan government stops its effort to go after civilians. what then? we don't have any clear path apaid about what to do about moammar gadhafi. the president miss ad great opportunity today during his speech to lay out not only the fact the consequences but what the end state should look like that the other states said mr. gadhafi has to go. we're talking a tight rope. we have to support the principles we stand for. we stand for democracy. we had our own revolution. with that said we have to look at what's in the best i want for your country, resource, allies. in many ways we have allies using weapons we gave them against these democracy groups. so we're having to walk a very tight rope. >> can it be walked? bahrain comes to mind where there's all sort of brutality,
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murder by the bahrainian military of their own people, saudi soldiers in their country are bearing american weapons and spending american money to do it. can you have it both eyes in an era of so much transparency? >> i think the key thing is in which the arab league supported for and called for western action. we ount have done so if they didn't. revolution by democratic people cannot just be crushed by military force. if we do that that may have a positive effect on places like bahrain who say they fear, they might be next once we've dealt with gadhafi. >> how suspicious should we be of the arab league insofar as this don't drive oil prices higher. higher oil prices are profitable for our friends in saudi arabia. and a little, you know, further sort of oppression and further dependency on saudi arabia, not
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a bad thing for them. should we really be following the arab's leagues accuse their interests are our interests. >> in this case they are compatible and many instances they are not. we have to discern that for ourselves with nato as part of the team. there are things we have to consider regarding to libya and its oil. it's a sad fact but we have to get a lot of emphasis because oil is major resource. bahrain, yemen or other countries which we have to also consider as friends by the fact they have helped us in the current war. we have to deal with these things on a case by case basis. there's not a one size fits all solution here. that's what makes this situation both volatile -- we have to play chess. our government is not good at playing chess. this is chess not checkers. >> elaborate. >> first off you're talking about having to deal with saudis on issues they are worried about. they are worried about yes mean brain because it's in their
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neighborhood. libya is not. it's easy for them to say go deal with that don't look over here. that's what we're going to come to very quickly. we have to figure out what's in our best interests in all instances. >> philip, do you get a sense we're any closer to that type of a consensus for american foreign policy in the middle east or even the process of building such a consensus? >> it's a real nightmare to deal with this region for all the reasons that have been said. iran is a factor that hasn't been mentioned. the theory in bahrain there's a sunni dimension and iranian influence. the whole problem of the arab relationship. this is a mind field. i think quite well judged moved towards a u.n. resolution. we don't have the nightmare with gas fin control of whole of libya and insurgents turning to al qaeda and terrorism means to resist him. we wouldn't want either of them
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to prevail. thankfully we have chance of heading that off. >> what's the mostlike series of event over the next four or five days as it bombs implementation and timing of the libyan no fly zone. >> this threat has to be credible. we have to move with all due diligence to move combat assets in to the theater, british, american and french so they are visibly ready to go. secondly, i'm sorry i believe the situation is more volatile than ever because moammar gadhafi will use his people as hostages. we've identified them as a resource we're worried about. now i think he'll go about to do things to be provocative and recalculate his ability to retain power. that's what he's all about. he has nothing left to lose. this is why i think it's important that we show there's military well behind the current resolution. >> gentlemen, thank you for the analysis. and the education. appreciate it.
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again, tony shaffer. using chernobyl techniques to shut down the japanese reactors. we find ourselves with the world's most under reported story, a massive humanitarian crisis in japan caused by the quake and the following tsunami. what we could all be doing to help. dancing there? how about eating soup to get there? campbell's soups fill you with good nutrition, farm-grown ingredients, and can help you keep a healthy weight. campbell's. it's amazing what soup can do. her morning begins with arthritis pain. that's a coffee and two pills.
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now to the disaster in japan and the growing nuclear and
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humanitarian crises are developing simultaneously one week after the devastating earthquake and tsunami. the death toll stands upwards of 600 with more than 10,000 missing. mean time japan's nuclear safety agency has raised the severity ratings to a five putting it on par with three mile island here in the united states. to put it in context, officials are now considering burying the plant and sand it in concrete the same decision made in chernobyl over a century ago. doctor, how do you assess this situation right now? >> well, i think it's very serious but, you know, i think as you put it very well, the issue here is issue of crisis
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management. the most important story is the disaster in japan and that disaster really had major consequences for the management of the crisis of the power plant. i think our japanese colleagues were completely overwhelmed by the human disaster and then they thought that the situation in the plants were probably evolved in a better manner. don't know if i can do friday morning or friday afternoon quarterbacking, but obviously they are now moving to try to take care of the situation. and that is the important thing. time is now on their side, not against them. resources are now being made available. that's also the positive side. >> what's your ability or anybody's ability to make a danger assessment specific to the nuclear threat at this time? >> well, it's limited for all of us. the amount of information that
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comes out from japan is limited. i have, you know, probably as much up to date information as probably as anybody, and i find myself without the appropriate amount of information. however, we can discern why this is happening and what we know is there are two problems in here. two completely different problems. one is the reactor itself, and the other is the fuel pools. two completely different problems. the reactor is like a pressure boiler, it's a pressure cooker happen it's really a very high pressure, very difficult to cool because you have to be able to inject water at high pressure. the fuel pools on the other hand are creating the radiation area because if the water level drops then that's where the levels in the plant increases or around but those are open, those are pools. just like the pool. and those can be cooled, i fail to under why they didn't use water cannons before or any
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other means to actually get water to the pools. a spray. a very good heavy spray 200, 250 gallons a minute is sufficient to cool these pools. that, i believe, is one of the key issues. they need to reduce radiation from the pools so they then can allow the workers to work in the rest of the plant. >> is there anyway to assess the likely perimeter of toxic radiation exposure and what is worse case scenario, if you will? >> well, i believe that the radiation levels that we're reading, and i have the last readings from the iaea and the japanese, still shows the radiological consequences are being managed to an area relatively close to the plant. there's small plumes of radiation coming out and those luckily are being washed away. they don't present a serious
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threat to japan or to anybody else right now. if they were to increase and the winds to shift we will have a different crisis. but i believe that we are in the verge of turning this thing over. the japanese have manage this crisis and are taking now what i believe are appropriate actions. water cannons are good, by the way. >> doctor, thank you so much for the time this afternoon and the education. concern over radiation, obviously reaching the united states, grabs lots of headlines. but the reality is that the on the ground story in japan is truly one of countless earthquake and tsunami victims who have lost literally everything that they had. millions without food and water. hundreds of thousands with nowhere to go. for more on the humanitarian crisis, we now turn to fema
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director carlos castille. at this stage of the game a week out do we have any scene of the quality of sfoins first seven days? >> japan is frequently looked at in the emergency management community as a benchmark as following best practices, and a lot of what they've learned in preparedness and prevention and mitigation came about after the kobe earthquake in 1995. they are doing -- if you look at what they are facing, they are facing three catastrophic disasters at one time. that would be a challenge for any country. one of the strongest earthquakes ever. a tsunami that followed right after. and then the potential, the possibility of a large nuclear emergency that they have on their hands. the challenges -- first of all, still the number one priority is
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saving lives. they have the search-and-rescue operations trying to identify any live victims trapped in the rubble. they are trying to feed. they have half a million people loems displaced by the earthquake and following tsunami that have to be fed, housed and with water and everything else. it's difficult to get to, to debris covered roadways. snowstorm affecting the, being able to get out there as well as the fuel shortages they have. it's no small feat but they have done a lot to organize themselves and to determine, to tell the rest of the world to please send us what we need and we'll let you know what we need. i think that's a smart step in the right direction. >> what is your sense of where they stand right now on the pure matter of keeping those people alive, fed and sheltered that have been displaced? >> well, they are doing a lot. they set up mechanisms for distribution. a lot of assistance,
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international assistance is coming in. u.s. included. but a lot of it is coming in, as i said the challenges are getting it out there and determining what the needs are and they set up a very effective mechanism where they get the reports in from the municipalities that go to the prefecture and then centrally to make sure that everything is sent out as much as possible. it's difficult to tell from here how much is getting out and what the needs still are bath lot of the things that you can just imagine, that they are dealing with almost 500,000 people immediately homeless. >> specifically, week one is, again, attempt to find even enough information to respond and do the immediate search-and-rescue as best you can, medical attention. what is the priority listing addition to that as you go into week two? >> well, continuing because there have been cases of people surviving in rubble for a long period of time.
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feeding the people, identifying if they are -- i know there's still a lot of people missing. they are still looking for those. some of those may have perished. some may not have been able to contact and the information flow is challenging. so determining their -- doing their damage, continuing their damage assessments and analyzing what their needs are and then getting the assistance out to the needed population are the three basic priorities at this time and will be for the next week or possibly several weeks as long as they have to find, a place to, like they have these vac wakes centers with evacuation shelters where most of these people are. last i heard, 430,000 people are in these evacuation shelters, so it's -- at least they are there. they are and i place where they can feed them centrally, make logistics much easier that way. >> how relevant is the people
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themselves ability to form communities and function to help sustain a lot of this to the nature of what happens over the next month? >> well, it's key and the fact that, you know, they do have somewhat culture preparedness more so than other cultures that have been affected by these major catastrophes and a lot of that came after the '95 earthquake. still, people will be frustrated. you know, in a manner of seconds, minutes, really, their lives changed forever when they go back to normal. it's going to be a different normal. it won't be like it was before. and communicating with them. not letting them know what to expect and allowing home to be a part of their own recovery, i think, is key. >> all right. listen, carlos, thank you for the time this afternoon and again the insight. we appreciate it.
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up next, are the american people ready to support military action and i third muslim nation? the politics of this no fly zone not to mention the politics of america still in the throes of a massive housing crisis and unemployment crisis caused, yes, by the corrupted government. we all know it too well. also working hard or hardly working. congress voting themselves a spring break vacation. no job crisis, housing crisis, energy crisis. we'll be right back. sweet & sa. they're made from whole roasted nuts and dipped in creamy peanut butter, making your craving for a sweet & salty bar irresistible, by nature valley.
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this resolution is an important step. it is only that. an important step. we and our partners will continue to explore the most effective measures to spend crisis. >> we have every reason to
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believe gadhafi will commit atrocities against his people. many thousands could die. >> at the white house shifting gears taking a more aggressive approach specifically towards libya and gadhafi. considered a victory for secretary clinton who by all accounts has been leading the charge to protect libyan civilians. it means another military effort for america in a third muslim nation. even if it's simply enforcing a no fly zone and leaves an open question for questions ranging from iran to bahrain to yemen to saudi arabia. so what does this new initiative in the mid east mean for this administration? nice to see both of you. how do the politics of this play out, crystal? >> well, i think it will be a very tough pill for the american people to swallow. we're looking at two-thirds of the american public unhappy with the afghan war, wanting to see
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our troops brought home from afghanistan and iraq. there's a lot of open questions. do i want to say i appreciate that this is a president who took his time and took some political heat for being overly cautious and made sure to think things through and balled coalition before going in. i appreciate that. but there's a lot of questions about what exactly we're doing >> you're saying he took his time. an insider very close to the secretary of state said he was dithering. it was like going to play sports with amateurs. this is from someone inside the obama administration. president obama was facing a public and narrative that was saying he was weak, three months after tunisia no mideast policy that's coherent. the politics are tough. that's true. the american people are against getting involved in another mideast conflict. >> particularly when we're
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defending people that are being shot at with american guns with american money. so it gets to -- the theater of the absurd. you hit on something that's the critical thing which is after 9/11, whether you like it or not, there was a massive roll out by the bush administration and then secretary of defense donald rumsfeld for a complete repurposing of american foreign policy period. >> right. >> we clearly are at an interval -- listen, obviously that's in the eye of the beholder. i don't think it was a good thing fours. let me pose my question which is aren't we basically screwed until somebody comes up with a macro foreign policy agenda for u.s. relations in the middle east? >> that's supposed to the commander in chief, dylan. >> or somebody. set of defense, secretary of state. >> one of my concerns with saying we'll take military action in libya what kind of precedent is that for the rest
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of the world? >> the president says there will not be boots on the ground. let's look at the process here that it took a huge lobbying by france and the uk this week of u.n. security council to even get this no fly measure because the united states was not just being neutral and observing, united states was not going for it. they had to be could be vinced. when united states signaled they would be willing to support military action by france, britain and the gulf states then we have this action. united states hasn't been cautious trying to roll out a plan. >> reti cents. >> not know what to do. >> we shouldn't have gone forward. i don't want to see us involved. >> so, how would you design american foreign policy in the middle east right now? >> the problem in libya is and the problem with middle east every country very different. libya is not a vital national security interest for america. it's not. i'm very sympathetic to the rebels. we can't be every where. this is one we should have sat
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out. >> let's be clear. there are financed governments in the middle east who are oppressive dictators. >> we cannot get away from that until we address our addiction to oil. >> that may be all well and good. people in those countries won't wait for us to deal with our oil addiction. people in bahrain and saudi arabia who are getting their hands chopped off, who don't have jobs, who can't buy house, who mothers have been depressed in the kitchen for 30 yaernts so concerned about america's oil addiction so much as they are about their own freedom. >> with gadhafi military experts say he could very well go ahead and fund terrorism against the united states troops in afghanistan or iraq or around the world and we know gadhafi is a terrorist. we also know oil went up a dollar this week to $116 a barrel so we have an economic interest libya and i think there is a humanitarian interest and than the part of why obama got
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involved. he does not want this massacre on his hands. i think president obama is looking at bush ii. let's look at bush i and the first gulf war and about trying to create a coalition. obama is trying to do that now. company have start this a month ago to build a coalition. >> up can't go after him for waiting to have a coalition in place and then tell him -- >> he wasn't building he was on the sidelines. >> by an anonymous source in the "new york post". >> he's tired and sick it. >> again, i just -- let's not take it out on the source of the "new york post" as to the certainty as to american foreign policy. >> united states was not for this no fly zone and was not lobbying for it. france and britain took the lead snipe don't disagree. how is congress, speaking of our government dealing with forget the middle east, forget japan, our own country? our own crippling debt? our own dysfunctional economy?
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our own nuclear fears? our joblessness. our housing crisis. well they are going on vacation. immediately after voting through a budget bill that kicks the can down the road yet again to keep the government running until april 8th the senate agreed to take ten days off. really? congress getting plenty of rest, the house worked only nine days in all of february. and 11 in january. and now, they are on another long break. of course let's not foreget the president jetting off tonight for a working vacation in brazil. now, regardless of your feelings on the government, it is clear that we have a massive jobs and housing crisis in this country and it's clear that neither political party has either the courage or the concept to deal with it. is that an unfair assessment on my part? >> we see republicans are trying to drive this deficit cutting effort but i don't -- >> no they are not. >> they are not going for it.
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>> if you were trying to drive a deficit cutting effort wouldn't you deal with revenue. >> they worked so hard to pass $800 billion in tax cuts and we're fighting about $60 billion in cuts to money for babies. >> i'm not -- i can't indulge the absurdity that the republicans are any more interested in solving this than the democrats are when we have a massive revenue collapse driven by housing and unemployment that neither party is dealing with. what i don't understand what has to happen political hi in this country to organize the one employed, to organize the foreclosed, organize the affected to demand that both parties stop playing these games. >> have a little bit of a gem of home in this direction. senator warner and senator saxby chambliss have been organizing a bipartisan group of senators could a lessing around the ideas of the bipartisan reconduction deficit commission. in my view we have to get past this stupid debate about such a
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small portion of our budget and look at the bigger picture. >> how can you talk deficit when you don't talk revenue. the reason you have a deficit you had a revenue collapse by virtue of housing and unemployment. the best way out of this create a bunch of jobs so people can function and that crates the revenue. >> everyone agrees it is a two prong problem. we can't grow ourselves out of this deficit. but i hold a different view of this resaens going on acceleration. i think it's a good thing for our politicians to go home and hear from their constituents. >> but the only reason i disagree with that they go home and they collect money from rich people for their elections. you and i both know -- >> i know they do that. >> you ran for congress. >> this is time off to raise money from special interests. i'll publish the calendar for
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you. >> remember, summer of 2009 obama had the town hall meetings. >> that was a unique situation. >> 80% of the people they polled feel the deficit is affecting them and their families. >> no question. it's unfortunate what the they do work they just take money from special i want to be make laws that benefit special interest at everybody's expense and during their recess they go out the raise money from special so they know which laws to change when they get back. amy, crystal, ate pleasure. thank you both. just ahead a milestone in outer space, a nasa spacecraft going where nothing, at least nothing from our planet has gone before. [ female announcer ] you have all this chicken.
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libya and japan and american housing and joblessness haven't depressed you enough let's talk about the nuclear threat. nuclear war, the threat is back but it does not look like the old cold war duck and cover. this. >> i'm its north korea, pakistan, iran, al qaeda or mistakes by our own military not to mention a resurgent russia bang rolled by those high oil prices. as the threat is different so too are the politics. president obama working to get rid of all nukes on this earth through the so-called global zero initiative but officials of the various nuclear powers come together every year to keep their fingers on the trigger and
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their nuclear money flowing. did you know those that are in favor of nuclear war have their own lobby in our country? interesting. or at least nuclear weapons. with us ron rosenbaum the author of a fascinating book "how the end begins," and ron, what is the biggest real threat? >> well, you know, it's a sort of a privilege in a way at this point, not a privilege but it's our one chance this japan thing. this libya thing. to remind us that nuclear weapons are not just nuclear reactors, nuclear weapons can kill 20 million people at a time. imagine if colonel gadhafi had nuclear weapons which he might have. he only gave them up in 2003. imagine if there was an accident in a nuclear weapons site silo, not just in a reactor. millions of people could die.
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and these been a denial going on about nuclear weapons just as nuclear reactors. they have been safe for so long since chesh noble. same with nuclear weapons, there hasn't been a nuclear blast since nagasaki. so far so good. there's been close calls. there's been accidents. we need to do something about it. >> what does that mean do something about it? >> well, that's good question. obama wants to abolish nuclear weapons entirely. can that be done? maybe. but then you can't deinvent nuclear knowledge. some rogue state, some rogue group could reinvent them. the plans are there. i'm kind of a pessi mimpb st. the best we can do is get as many nuclear weapons off the planet as possible. we have enough nuclear weapons to extinguish the human species
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on the planet. let's cut them down. let's hope human nature will change and we get to the point where we don't have conventional war. >> when you look at the threat list, pakistan and india, israel and iran, resurgent russia, you have increasing sloppiness by the u.s. military, i understand they flew a bunch of nuclear war heads across the continental united states. >> first time 40 years nuclear weapons were flown across the u.s. territory. an accident. they fired the air force secretary. >> then finally obviously north korea. is there even a way to understand inside that threat pool? >> i think there is. pakistan is the biggest threat. we just learned -- the figure that was going on round pakistan has 60 to 100 nuclear war head. a new estimate came out and it's double that. they have at least 100, maybe 200. they have loose control.
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they have al qaeda on one side of them, maybe just waiting for the government change for them to take over those 200 nuclear weapons. so the taliban infiltrated the pakistani government. that is dangerous. when that happens, if there is a government takeover, the u.s. has war game that we'll send in special op troops to seize the weapons to prevents them from being used by al qaeda. will that work? do we know where they all are? this is a very dangerous place. >> and the most limited threat in that threat pool as ybetween these groups. >> that's a good question. so many of them. >> russia? >> you know, russia has behaved sort of with some rationality.
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they are ration enamel. we signed a treaty with them, it was difficult, we could talk to them. they are a super power. it's what happened is there's a new nuclear age in which we had the illusion of stability with the super powers. but now we've got nuclear weapons spreading all across south asia, and the middle east. we got them in the hand of mad men like the north koreans. a snublg war between indmall nu india and pakistan could cause many deaths because the ash could kick up and kill the crops and starve a billion people. >> if you were to look at that global zero initiative and your skepticism for the reasons you articulated they figured out how to make these weapon, you can't unfigure that, what could be done, however, to help the president and this is an issue
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where the president seems to be very focused on a clear agenda, whether it's achievable or not is debate jashlgs but what could be done help with that initiative? >> he's got to get a constituency behind it. in t in the '80s there was a freeze coalition. now the only person with no nukes is the president of the united states. a powerful guy but is he powerful now bring the military behind him? i went to a military convocation after he called for no nukes they were thinking stronger nukes, more active nukes. >> ron, it's a pleasure to make your acquaintance. congratulations on the book. thank you for bringing fairly unpleasant information to the forefront only because it's notices address it. pretending it is not there is
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the hottest ticket onbe the market right now as you probably already know, maybe you own some tickets yourself, charlie sheen's violent torpedo of truth. a traveling road show.
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added another 12 dates to the show due to incredible popularity. wild thing sold out at radio city twice in less than 30 minutes. could he win an election against sarah palin a recent poll says among independent voters he's a winner. and that battle is the topic of today's daily rant by our friend and neighbor, tori. >> you know the silly season in presidential politics is under way when pollsters are ask who would you vote for between sarah palin and charlie sheen. i love that this ridiculous question is being asked and answered seriously. america's most famous crack lover against america's spungyest grandmother. let's go inside the tale of the tape and see who win this hypothetical battle. in terms of political experience palin as sheen beat. he's never shaugt political office. in terms of character pallin quit her job as a public servant
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while sheen has sold in the home a scrappy fighter fighting to get his job as a public servant back. on family values it's not even close. sheen has two divorces in his past which is not counter balanced by having two relationships at the same time. that's worse. both sheen and pallin are really fond of making babies. both of them have five kids. pallin is a lot better at raises hers. point grizzly ma. the integrity battle is a wash. pallin lied about killing the bridge to nowhere, and she misspent gop funds during the campaign and friends say she's nowhere near the hunt dread she advertises. sheen thinks he heeled himself from drug addiction to he's lying to himself. we should be scared of either one of them being in charge of our military. having them in charge of the economy might not be a bad idea. you call them baffoons but these
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two people know how to make money. sheen lost his job and then create ad seven month tour. pallin earned over $12 million since leaving the governor's mansion. they may not know about economic policy but they will lead america to being richer than ever. who would you rather have a beer. both have a small group of fans while they are loathed by a large group of sane folks. so i suspect some people will want to have a beer with them just to brag how they threw that beer in their face. in the end it's amazing this sort of question is even asked that either of these people are even considered in anyone's imagination potential presidential material. we're a country of 307 million people. surely these two clowns don't deserve do anything but visit the oval office briefly especially when we have somebody whose real presidential material sitting across the table from
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me. >> you're biassed because i put you on the tv show. >> you on economic policy. you got the family values thing. people apartment beer with you. >> even though i quit drinking. i can have a shirley temple. >> we want to hang out. >> thank you. that's very flattering. thank you very much. >> something to consider. >> i don't get the sense i'm welcomed in the political universe which might be a good thing. is not the ultimate problem with this whole sheen-pallin, all this nonsense that basically the whole system has proven that it selects the worst possible candidates, like in other words instead of a process not just a political process bath media process of sort of a process of information selection, we have built an incredible machine political and media that's very, very good at rewarding the least
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honorable worst actors. >> here's what's undergift carding why we're getting into silly season and stupid questions. the gop has no serious viable candidate. nobody is seriously challenging obama even when his approval rate is dropping there's no serious candidate who can seriously say, this guy might actually beat this guy. so then you start to come up with what else are we going to talk about? do we really think that newt gingrich will beat barack obama? do we think tim pawlenty or mitt romney or mike huckabee will beat barack obama? barack obama's real problem in the first election was that the country didn't know him. so it was like can we trust you? we like you. >> who are you. >> you seem great but can we trust you. we know hillary clinton, we know john mccain. we don't know. now we know him. and incumbents generall

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